Alex V
4:54 Sun Jul 5
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My theory is that teams struggled post-Allardyce partly because he is such an outlier as a coach - clubs looking to adapt to a new style ran into problems, with players schooled to a different philosophy.
And of course there's the usual criticisms of Allardyce - short-termism over development, lack of focus on technical ability, ultra-defensive outlook, obsession with outdated principles. These players have had up to four years of that approach (Nolan and O'Brien have had a career full!).
I think it's fair enough to have concerns about that. I hope the club can overcome that. It's hard enough with any change of manager, but Allardyce is a special case I think.
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whufcroe
4:49 Sun Jul 5
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Oh and WHO are these players that you think will struggle with the change?
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whufcroe
4:48 Sun Jul 5
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These are quality professionals we're talking about here, they are more than capable of playing football different ways, did last season not show that?
Players move from side to side in transfers from manager to new manager and adapt with ease. Here we have weeks of pre-season to iron out any difficulties.
You've clearly overlooked the problem why teams struggled when BFS left because it doesn't fit in with your, erm unique way of thinking.
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Alex V
4:44 Sun Jul 5
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Any change in tactics or regime is going to ask new questions of players.
Say, for example, that we might adopt more of a pressing game with a higher defensive line. Already you're asking new questions of the defence, who are used to defending deep and clearing from the box. Theoretically this may also ask new questions of the keeper, who would be asked to do more as a sweeper rather than a pure shot-stopper. If you're asking a midfield pair to operate as a playmaking shield for the defence, then midfielders asked to gallop forward for knockdowns under Allardyce are now being asked to play more with positional sense rather than sheer lung-busting energy. WIngers who were asked to stay wide and cross at every opportunity, might now be asked to come central and look for the short ball. Strikers used to aerial supply might now have to play off the shoulder in an entirely different approach.
Of course it might be that the players adapt quickly. Or that there isn't much change and they don't have to adapt much at all. They may be a great bunch who adapt well, or they may adapt badly.
Lots of uncertainties, basically.
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Fifth Column
4:43 Sun Jul 5
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I generally agree with the more optimistic people on here... however we should not underestimate the impact on our Premier League season if we qualify for the Europa League group stages... this will inevitably lead to fatigue from players and compromises on team selections in the Premier League. If you had very bad luck with injuries then we could feasibly be in danger but it is not likely.
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whufcroe
4:40 Sun Jul 5
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I very much doubt the way Bilic sets up and likes to play he'll be encouraging central defenders to be making many runs.
The biggest problem for teams BFS left was nothing more than the clubs picked a cheap option and replaced a strong manager with weak muppets.
I see nobody bar Nolan who's going to struggle to fit into how Bilic plays.
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ajc123
4:39 Sun Jul 5
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For once I agree with croe. Alex all those other clubs went for continuity and appointed one of Allardyce's proteges as manager. We have Bilic, a man who doesn't go backwards.
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icwhs
4:33 Sun Jul 5
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whufcroe 4:31 Sun Jul 5
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We'll start asking Ginge to make runs into the midfield as to the 80 yard Lump to Carroll which is does today
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BRANDED
4:31 Sun Jul 5
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I think the owners had much more control than other clubs had over Sam. So I think that's not an issue. The obvious flaws were recognised some time ago and they started to patch the holes.
The question is can we be worse than the most obvious bottom 3 or bottom 6 clubs? If the answer is yes we either will have unbelievable bad luck or terrible management.
Its very unlikely but nothing is impossible.
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whufcroe
4:31 Sun Jul 5
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Good post?
Total Alex V pap
Doom and fucking gloom my arse
So Alex V, who are these players that are going to struggle to adapt to playing a more passing game then?
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icwhs
4:26 Sun Jul 5
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Alex V 4:24 Sun Jul 5
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Good post
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Alex V
4:24 Sun Jul 5
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You can't have the sort of desperately poor form we had post-Christmas, and not entertain the possibility of it continuing. We have to improve and quickly, and there are no guarantees.
Also given that presumably there's an attempt to change the pattern of play post-Allardyce there's going to be an element of culture-shock. I do think some players who were suited to Allardyce's tactics might struggle without them (and vice versa).
And we all know what happened to a number of other clubs post-Allardyce.
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Scraper
1:23 Sun Jul 5
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Just trying to help. Sorry.
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icwhs
1:22 Sun Jul 5
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still growing strong
the thread I mean
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Grumpster
1:13 Sun Jul 5
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We won't even be close to relegation, but good to see we still have negative fans.
Come on chaps, the really poor teams can only dream of our midfield and solid defence and I still fully expect us to sign a couple of quality players.
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whufcroe
1:06 Sun Jul 5
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Hoorah the pathetic grammar and spelling police are in the house giving themselves a hard on by picking over pages of debate to add nothing......
Well done Scraper you pathetic little man
1014 WHO points to you
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Romfordboy
1:05 Sun Jul 5
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Treading water.....
We have signed a French international am and highly regarded cm
With song and jenks likely soon
It's only early July I would say apart from scouser see have made the most progress
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norwich hammer
1:04 Sun Jul 5
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There is absolutely no chance of us getting relegated!
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Scraper
12:57 Sun Jul 5
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whufcroe 4:21 Sat Jul 4
had of had
0/10
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Hugh Jargon
12:40 Sun Jul 5
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We are all creaming ourselves with transfer speculation....so is every other pl club.
We are treading water. Need to sign 4 or 5 first team players to be top 10.
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Hugh Monteith
6:52 Sun Jul 5
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I am it is true
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